
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:00:46 +0200 From: Tavis Ormandy <taviso@...xchg8b.com> To: johndev@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: md5 internals question Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com> wrote: > Hi Tavis, > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 08:41:18PM +0200, Tavis Ormandy wrote: > > (password="AAAA") > > > > 41 41 41 41 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [input + 1 bit] 00 00 00 > > 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [padding] 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > > 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ... 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 00 > > 00 [length] > > Almost. This will also contain the length in bits, so fewer of the octets > will be 00. > Ahh, I knew that, I just randomly used an 8 to signify instead of doing it properly :) > > If you have a lookup table for states for inputs length {0..15}, you can > > take a final R64 state and precompute something like a R10 state to > > compare it to, and save 60% of the work? (because the only unknown bits > > mixed in during the later rounds are either zero, or from the appended > > length). > > Not quite. Although the 64byte block looks almost like what you wrote, > the 32bit words from it are actually processed in different order in > different ones of the four 16step rounds. Here's the last one: > > /* Round 4 */ STEP(I, a, b, c, d, GET(0), 0xf4292244, 6) STEP(I, d, a, b, > c, GET(7), 0x432aff97, 10) STEP(I, c, d, a, b, GET(14), 0xab9423a7, 15) > STEP(I, b, c, d, a, GET(5), 0xfc93a039, 21) STEP(I, a, b, c, d, GET(12), > 0x655b59c3, 6) STEP(I, d, a, b, c, GET(3), 0x8f0ccc92, 10) STEP(I, c, d, > a, b, GET(10), 0xffeff47d, 15) STEP(I, b, c, d, a, GET(1), 0x85845dd1, 21) > STEP(I, a, b, c, d, GET(8), 0x6fa87e4f, 6) STEP(I, d, a, b, c, GET(15), > 0xfe2ce6e0, 10) STEP(I, c, d, a, b, GET(6), 0xa3014314, 15) STEP(I, b, c, > d, a, GET(13), 0x4e0811a1, 21) STEP(I, a, b, c, d, GET(4), 0xf7537e82, 6) > STEP(I, d, a, b, c, GET(11), 0xbd3af235, 10) STEP(I, c, d, a, b, GET(2), > 0x2ad7d2bb, 15) STEP(I, b, c, d, a, GET(9), 0xeb86d391, 21) > > So I think that at most 15 steps may be reversed. Thanks, that makes sense, 15 of 64 rounds still sounds like a win of several Mc/s! > > I can have a go at implementing a rawmd5ng if someone more familiar > > with MD5 confirms this. > > It would be great if you give faster MD5 as well. > > Thanks, > > Alexander > I will try, expect some code on the weekend :) Tavis.   taviso@...xchg8b.com  pgp encrypted mail preferred 
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