Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 08:37:45 -0600 From: Mark Felder <feld@...d.me> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: CVE-Request: Assign CVE for common-collections remote code execution on deserialisation flaw On Fri, Nov 13, 2015, at 01:58, Gsunde Orangen wrote: > > I share Tim's view  and a dozen of (own) applications we checked > won't break. A property that re-enables deserialization of course would > help additionally: allow applications that really *need* this to get it > working; but that requires an explicit step - so latest by that time: > those, whose applications break after including a "fixed" version of > Commons-Collections would (hopefully) start to think about their design. > > Gsunde > >  http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q4/238 >  http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q4/263 This statement is how we have been operating our mitigation strategy: "Applications which use Apache Commons Collections and do not use deserialization are not vulnerable." Assuming that statement is correct, disabling deserialization by default doesn't offer additional protection to people. Instead it requires a code change when they upgrade to re-enable it and cause them to be vulnerable again. Would the greater community be better served by additional documentation on how to safely handle the deserialization in their application? Is there such a method, or is this hopelessly broken? If you're still vulnerable even if you don't use deserialization in your application this completely changes our risk profile and we need to change our mitigation strategy. -- Mark Felder feld@...d.me
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