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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:36:07 +0400
From: Solar Designer <>
Subject: Administrivia - list charter

Well, this is not really a formal charter (I haven't bothered to write
one yet), but rather it is a description of my current stance on
off-topic postings and on what, in my opinion, should (not) be posted to
this mailing list.

The following are some examples of topics that are desirable on this
mailing list:

+ Sharing of experience with using John the Ripper (case studies, useful
hints, reviews, benchmarks, etc. - and follow-up postings to those, with
corrections, comments, and/or reasonable questions).

+ Announcements of other tools to be used in conjunction with John the
Ripper (shell scripts, JtR source code patches, separate applications).
Small pieces of source code may be posted to the list, whereas for
large and/or binary files only download URLs may be posted.

+ Discussions of the inner workings of John the Ripper.

+ Discussions of other _closely_ related matters (e.g., password
security of different operating systems, password security policies and
how to enforce them).

The following are some topics that are _not_ closely related to John the
Ripper and thus are considered off-topic here:

- Questions on how to crack passwords of remote systems (e-mail
accounts, websites, etc.), without prior access to password files of
those systems.  Follow-up postings to such off-topic questions.

As an exception, case studies and _advanced_ descriptions of remote
attacks with subsequent uses of John the Ripper may be posted.

- Private discussions, or any messages which are unlikely to benefit
more than a single intended recipient (e.g., "I'll answer your question
soon").  These should be sent to the particular recipient, not to the
mailing list.

What I intend to be doing on obviously off-topic postings is usually an
immediate unsubscribe plus addition to the mailing list manager's "deny"
list.  This may seem a little harsh, but it actually helps both the
person being removed (who has obviously joined the list by mistake) and
the remaining subscribers.

If the number of off-topic postings keeps growing, I will make this list
pre-moderated even for current subscribers, slowly adding those who make
on-topic postings to an "allow" list.

P.S. We're staying at around 450 current subscribers for a while now -
some people are joining, some are leaving, and some e-mail addresses
become invalid over time (so ezmlm-idx drops them).


Alexander Peslyak <solar at>
GPG key ID: B35D3598  fp: 6429 0D7E F130 C13E C929  6447 73C3 A290 B35D 3598 - bringing security into open computing environments

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