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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 22:40:01 +0200
From: "e@...tmx.net" <e@...tmx.net>
To: passwords@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: GMOs And Passwords

On 08/24/2016 10:32 PM, ArkanoiD wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:18 PM, e@...tmx.net <mailto:e@...tmx.net>
> <e@...tmx.net <mailto:e@...tmx.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     (1) it is completely different area of responsibility.
>     do not mess with the users' free will.
>     expending of your "care" beyond the boundaries of your responsibility
>     always cases more trouble than good.
>
>     (2) an ideal password should FAIL all checks.
>     checks are LIMITATIONS.
>     a password that complies to a policy is worse than a password that
>     does not.
>
>
> Things tend to get more complicated if there is multi-entity
> interactions with uneven distribution of skills, risks and liability.
>
> Say, if you have a small group of well-educated persons, it might work
> as you say. Especially if risks and liabilities fall on the same person.
> Though shit happens anyway (which is endless source of lulz).
>
> If we consider some kind of corporate slavery where you as a manager is
> responsible for others' failures; or if you run a public service and you
> know YOU will be blamed if your users' negligence -- it becomes a
> rational decision to intervene with certain restrictions of free will of
> some for better outcome for the rest. Just because the alternative is
> worse! For you, for the company, maybe even for them but they fail to
> admit it!

in this case i can suggest you a policy which is a function of the 
password length: apply (policy(length(password)) to password)
i.e. to shorter passwords you apply stronger policies, which relax with 
the length, and may for certain length threshold be reduced to empty policy.




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