Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 22:31:14 +0000 From: Kyle R <Kyle.R@...ticalInformatics.com> To: "oss-security@...ts.openwall.com" <oss-security@...ts.openwall.com> Subject: Re: civilized discussion (Re: More CONFIG_VMAP_STACK vulnerabilities, refcount_t UAF, and an ignored Secure Boot bypass / rootkit method) +1 for Solar always having a level-head when moderating this list. ________________________________ From: Kurt Seifried <kseifrie@...hat.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:26:46 PM To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: [oss-security] civilized discussion (Re: More CONFIG_VMAP_STACK vulnerabilities, refcount_t UAF, and an ignored Secure Boot bypass / rootkit method) To be clear solar has always been a sane and polite person, but I don't know what the list policy is, in part because I don't think this has really come up before(that I can remember). -Kurt > On Jun 26, 2017, at 14:50, Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Yes, I too would like the discussions in here to stay civilized. > > Brad wrote to Linus: > >> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Brad Spengler <spender@...ecurity.net> wrote: >> With no technical content coming from your end, there's no need to discuss >> anything further -- don't waste your time because I won't reply. > > and I hope that Linus won't reply (as far as I can see, he did not so > far) and this does in fact end that thread. > >> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 03:16:06PM -0400, Mansour Moufid wrote: >> Is there another mailing list for discussions of Linux security? Or forum? > > At Openwall, we also host the kernel-hardening mailing list, but we > currently moderate it similarly - that is, we're not preventing > occasional/infrequent threads like this right away, letting a sensible > number of messages to pass through, even if with insults and such. > Usually those threads end on their own. In fact, I only recall one very > recent thread in there where I intervened and technically shut it down. > If the pro-grsecurity and/or anti-grsecurity folks try much harder, > we'll probably have to start moderating the lists much stricter. > > There are probably other suitable mailing lists and forums as well. > Maybe someone else would share some. > >> I have been thinking of sharing a few patches for the last couple months. >> I don't think this is the right place after the kind of insults I saw this week. > > This sounds weird to me: you've been sitting on those patches for "the > last couple months" and now a thread "this week" finally made you decide > not to post them in here. Anyhow, if those patches would be on-topic in > here or on kernel-hardening, please feel free to reconsider. > > Off-list, someone else also explained to me that the recent dirt in here > discouraged them from posting certain reasonable content. So this is > probably happening, and that's a pity. I ask that anyone who thinks > they have higher quality content than what we see in this thread does > post that. Let this be your response. > > Alexander
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