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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:13:23 +0100
From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@...ian.org>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org>
Cc: "A. Wilcox" <awilfox@...lielinux.org>, musl@...ts.openwall.com,
man-db-devel@...gnu.org
Subject: Re: Re: man-db 2.7.6.1: Test failures under musl libc
On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 09:28:08AM -0400, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 01:04:26PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > man-db can't reasonably do without //IGNORE, certainly not if you want
> > reliability. Can you try building man-db with GNU libiconv? The build
> > system uses AM_ICONV already, so should have enough options to let you
> > do this.
> >
> > (I'd take a patch to the build system to have it detect this situation
> > and emit an error earlier if //IGNORE isn't available.)
>
> Can you explain? This seems wrong; maybe I misunderstand //IGNORE but
> I can't come up with any plausible scenario where a conversion with
> //IGNORE would produce usable output.
No, it definitely did help in some cases. Here's the NEWS entry from
when I added that:
o apropos, lexgrog, man, mandb, and whatis ignore encoding
conversion errors for the last possible encoding of the source
page. This helps, for example, with pages including misencoded
non-ASCII names of authors; it usually seems better to allow these
pages to pass with small errors than to break them entirely.
That was nine years ago so I no longer have specific examples to hand,
but that's the sort of thing my past self wouldn't have bothered doing
without having run into it in practice. :-) I seem to remember the case
of non-ASCII authors' names in otherwise-ASCII pages being quite common,
and especially back then the toolchain wasn't always happy to accept
UTF-8 at every stage in every environment.
(This is all after manconv has made its best guess as to the input
encoding using stricter checks; the choice at this point is normally
between mostly-correct output or an error. For many programs I agree
that an error would be more appropriate, but for a program whose job is
to display documentation I prefer to make a best effort to do so.)
This is actually a bit less critical than I remembered. I still think
it's worthwhile in general, but I'd also take a patch to use //IGNORE
only when an iconv implementation that supports it is in use.
> Also please be aware that the encoding on a system using musl is
> always UTF-8 (musl only supports UTF-8 locales), so conversion of
> man pages to another locale that can't represent their contents is
> out-of-scope.
Well, you also have the C locale which isn't really true UTF-8. But
anyway, as noted above, the use of //IGNORE here is not intended for the
case where we are totally unable to represent any of the contents, but
rather for the case of small unrepresentable sections.
--
Colin Watson [cjwatson@...ian.org]
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