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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:11:33 +0200
From: Wermut <wermut@...il.com>
To: "musl@...ts.openwall.com" <musl@...ts.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: libhybris and musl?
We used libhybris for one single thing. Getting Android/bionic linked
graphic drivers up and running under embedded glibc linux. Since all the
hardware vendors startet to only deliver their drivers in binary form and
exclusivly for Android, these is usually the only way to get GPU up and
running.
libhybris was originally developed for Sailfish OS that is using Android
drivers of all kind under a glibc enviroment. The graphic Stack is Android
OpenGL driver > libhybris > wayland. Other projects like the Intel/Samsung
"mer" project is doing exactly the same.
If you are interessted how to install and use it, there is a rudimentary
how to:
http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/21/how-to-use-libhybris-and-android-gpu-libraries-with-mer-linux-on-the-cubieboard/
This thing is a therible hack, but unfortunatly this is often the only way
to get things like OpenGL, hw video decoding etc. working on embedded arm
linux. There are no signs that companies like Qualcom or ARM themself with
their Mali GPU will deliver open source drivers.
Linking your own apps to bionic/libhybris makes absolutly no sense. The
reason for libhybris is to use bionic binaries (drivers) within glibc based
enviroments.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 10:55:26AM +0200, Jens Staal wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Has anyone tried if libhybris will emulate the bionic libc properly on
> top of
> > musl libc? Alternatively, are there plans for bionic binary/source
> > compatibility in musl like the glibc compatibility (or would this
> contribute
> > to bloat?).
> >
> > I was mostly curious to look into the possiblility of building AOSP (or
> Mer)
> > with musl instead of bionic (or glibc in the case of Mer), but for
> Android app
> > (those built with NDK) compatibility, one would then need libhybris.
> >
> > right now just thinking aloud - no real plans at the moment :)
>
> While I haven't look at the details for how it works, I'm fairly
> doubtful that using libhybris would be practical. My guess is that
> you'll find it fairly glibc-specific, but perhaps more importantly I'm
> not sure what benefit you would get from having apps built against
> Bionic using musl. If you have particular aims in mind, let me know,
> but my feeling is that it would be a lot more practical to just fix up
> the things Bionic is doing that are gratuitously different/broken to
> get to a point where programs using Bionic run cleanly side by side
> with musl. But if the issue is binary apps using native NDK code with
> the Bionic ABI, but where you want the non-native code to run on a
> musl-linked Dalvik rather than a Bionic-linked one, and if this all
> takes place in the same process context, then maybe something like
> libhybris really is needed.
>
> I'm quite interested in this project as a prototype for how Android
> could be moved from Bionic to musl, and (optionally, but I think this
> is the right direction) steered back from its gratuitous
> incompatibilities in filesystem layout, handling of dns, user/group
> lookups, etc. and re-unified with Linux. Please keep us informed if
> you make any interesting progress!
>
> Rich
>
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