Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:20:14 +0300 From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com> To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: A couple of topics on the wiki for beginners Hi Pete, On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 01:16:04PM +0000, P PO1434 wrote: > As part of my exploration of JtR, I've learnt a fair bit about setting it up for debug in an IDE (NetBeans), and writing (in a ham-fisted way!!) new formats. > I've tried to put some of what I've learnt on the openwall wiki for all to see/edit/contribute too, and am hoping this might be useful to someone. > > It's at: > http://openwall.info/wiki/john/tutorials Thank you for contributing this. > Feel free to add/correct or even suggest new content. I think that one of the required changes is moving this to a sub-page or to a page outside of the tutorials section maybe - but we need to decide on its name either way. How about "internals", "source-code-hacking", or "development"? - or make your suggestion. Actually, I thought of creating a john/internals page or section myself (outside of the tutorials section). Clearly, if we keep adding content to this page or section, it'd grow far beyond a beginner's tutorial. In fact, this very topic is not exactly for beginners. Maybe it makes sense to keep some quick recipes under john/source-code-hacking and in-depth stuff under john/internals/... With this in mind, I think I like the "source-code-hacking" name for the current content best. As to the tutorials section, I think that it should contain simpler stuff aimed at typical end-users. I envision these tutorials as step-by-step guides or examples for specific use cases - e.g., auditing passwords on a Windows system (that's one tutorial), then auditing passwords from various Unix-like systems and Windows on a Linux system (that's another tutorial). And I do mean step-by-step - e.g., start with downloading JtR, compiling it (if applicable), downloading pwdump6 and running it on a Windows system with output to a file, scp'ing the file, and so on... More specific and greater detail than that found in the official documentation for JtR. Some overlap with the official documentation (such as with doc/EXAMPLES) and between multiple tutorials is no problem. Then there's the usage-examples section, which I might have named poorly (as the name could also imply what I wrote about above). I meant this section to be used for more advanced examples, not aimed at new users. It currently contains some references to john-users postings that I think should be turned into wiki pages. Maybe this section should be renamed to "advanced-examples". It is going to be difficult to draw the line between new user tutorials and advanced examples, though. Opinions, suggestions, and further contributions are welcome - and if you (anyone reading this) have something to contribute, please go ahead and do it in whatever way you can think of first - it is not that important to place your content into the correct place on the wiki, we can always move it to a new place later. In fact, it is difficult to make correct decisions on what wiki sections we need before we actually have the corresponding content contributed - so maybe content should appear first, in arbitrary places on the wiki, to be moved in place later. Thanks again, Alexander -- To unsubscribe, e-mail john-users-unsubscribe@...ts.openwall.com and reply to the automated confirmation request that will be sent to you.
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