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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:28:14 +0200
From: Dirk Wetter <dirk.wetter@...etter.org>
To:  john-users@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Complaint filed vs. german gov-agency for distributing
 jtr

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Hi Tom,


On 19.09.2007 08:38, thomas springer wrote:

> There were quite a lot of sensible people protesting, but government
> said, the goal is not to sue security-experts, but hackers. But the
> wording of the law speaks clearly another language.

The usage-of-the-tools-section (202a/b) sounds to me better than the tools
section itself (202c). There's the word "unbefugt" (unauthorised) in 202a/b
w My 2 Euros: That should have been more clear. This was also said by
politicians of the government party in the conciliation committee.

The tool-section is the one which is the one which is not comprehensible
to me and which scared German hacker^Wsecurity tools provider
(FX, kismac, PoC of PHP bugs=Stefan Esser) away.

> There were no court-orders or known filed complaints because of 202c StGB yet.
> 
> German online-magazine tecchannel.de is trying to get clarity about
> the new law and filed a complaint (9/14/07) against the german
> government-agency "Federal Office for Information Security (BSI, see
> http://www.bsi.de/english/index.htm) for distributing John the Ripper
> on one of its CDs and linking to a page (http://www.openwall.com)
> where users can download the tool.

They are referring to BOSS. The story behind it is that BSI did ~2 years
back a public invitation to tender. GOal was to provide an easy to use Open
Source-based toolkit, more for junior admins, in order to check their IT
infrastructure for security holes. Also included is Nessus v2 on both
versions of the CD amongst other tools which are except the sniffer tools
according to p202c not as "dangerous".

> A screenshot of the complaint is here:
> http://images.tecchannel.de/images/tecchannel/bdb/361100/361109/B83CB84F13B738958633FFED96A57C1A_800x600.jpg
> The article (german only, sorry) here:
> http://www.tecchannel.de/sicherheit/grundlagen/1729025/

thanks a bunch for the hint! That is in fact a great manoeuvre :-)
and has some irony in it: BSI, service provider for federal IT,
a goverment agency, is a subsidiary from the BMI, the ministry of interior.
 Driving force for passing the law through the German instances was the
ministry of justice, BMJ ;-)

> I'm rather interested in this case, for i still distribute and use JtR
> and i creditet myself in the compiled the Windows-Binarys available
> from www.openwall.com. Drop me a note if this is noteworthy enough to
> keep you posted about the outcome.

Why just don't post it to the list?

The outcome certainly will provide the needed legal certainty, one way
or the other!


Cheers,
	Dirk



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