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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:03:24 +0100
From: Hari Sekhon <>
Subject: Re: windows passwords now don't work


Are you saying that the lm hash is case insensitive but your password 
is. If your password is compared to the lm hash then how could it be 
case sensitive. It must be compared to a case sensitive hash. Are ntlm 
and lm hashes different, ie the nt one was a next gen hash that enabled 
case sensitivity?


thomas springer wrote:
> caps-lock or numlock (especially on laptops!) on??
> and remember: while lanman-hashes are not case-sensitive (and
> therefore always cracked in UPPERCASE, your windows-password (stored
> also as ntlm-hash) IS case-sensitive.
> tom
> On 4/6/06, jay rubin <> wrote:
>> I finally figured out how to use john so I wanted to perform a test and see
>> if I couldn't create a more secure password.  When I went to change my
>> password I kept getting an error message that the "password entered was
>> incorrect".  So what better to do than rerun john and make sure what my
>> passwords were.  John came up with the same passwords that it had cracked
>> before and which were what I thought they were.  Can anybody tell me what's
>> going on?  I created another admin account before rebooting my system just
>> to make sure I could still do some work.  On the reboot my old passwords
>> still did not work.
>> -Jay
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